Discussion:
Rialto replaced by Facebook
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Stefan
2015-01-02 22:58:07 UTC
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Few in the SCA today even know what NNTP and the existence of the
Rialto. At least that is my impression.

Are there any members still left around? I know I have it in my
newgroup feed mainly out of nostalgia.

Stefan MacMorrow
Todd Rich
2015-01-02 23:23:50 UTC
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Post by Stefan
Few in the SCA today even know what NNTP and the existence of the
Rialto. At least that is my impression.
Are there any members still left around? I know I have it in my
newgroup feed mainly out of nostalgia.
Stefan MacMorrow
I'm still here. And if something non-spam comes up, I'll read it.

But then again, my ISP still offers shell accounts.

Torin Ironbrow
Dorothy J Heydt
2015-01-03 01:17:36 UTC
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Post by Todd Rich
Post by Stefan
Few in the SCA today even know what NNTP and the existence of the
Rialto. At least that is my impression.
Are there any members still left around? I know I have it in my
newgroup feed mainly out of nostalgia.
Stefan MacMorrow
I'm still here. And if something non-spam comes up, I'll read it.
Likewise. :)
--
Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin Dorothy J. Heydt
Vinhold/Mists/West Vallejo, California
PRO DEO ET REGE djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
Jeff Berry
2015-01-05 15:26:02 UTC
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Post by Stefan
Few in the SCA today even know what NNTP and the existence of the
Rialto. At least that is my impression.
Are there any members still left around? I know I have it in my
newgroup feed mainly out of nostalgia.
Stefan MacMorrow
Another old timer still hanging around ... one who actively avoids
FB;-)

Alexandre d'Avigne, formerly Outlands and East, now in Drachenwald
------------
Jeff Berry - http://www.aspiringluddite.com - food, musings, etc.
Russell
2015-05-16 04:20:30 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Todd Rich
Post by Stefan
Few in the SCA today even know what NNTP and the existence of the
Rialto. At least that is my impression.
Are there any members still left around? I know I have it in my
newgroup feed mainly out of nostalgia.
Stefan MacMorrow
I'm still here. And if something non-spam comes up, I'll read it.
Likewise. :)
I'm rediscovering the pleasure after a lengthy absence.

I found the FTP software sitting in backup from an earlier machine and
cranked it up.
24,000 headers from rec.org.sca later and I began (foolishly) to
browse the old threads.
Now I'm wondering... did Atenveldt ever recover their regalia stolen
in 2003?

Russell
Steve Urbach
2015-05-16 09:57:35 UTC
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Post by Russell
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Todd Rich
Post by Stefan
Few in the SCA today even know what NNTP and the existence of the
Rialto. At least that is my impression.
Are there any members still left around? I know I have it in my
newgroup feed mainly out of nostalgia.
Stefan MacMorrow
I'm still here. And if something non-spam comes up, I'll read it.
Likewise. :)
I'm rediscovering the pleasure after a lengthy absence.
I found the FTP software sitting in backup from an earlier machine and
cranked it up.
24,000 headers from rec.org.sca later and I began (foolishly) to
browse the old threads.
Now I'm wondering... did Atenveldt ever recover their regalia stolen
in 2003?
Russell
FWIW
Even if your ISP has ditched NNTP services like Earthlink did :/

Eternal September offers the Rialto (rec.org.sca) for free. (and many other
non-binary groups)

APN (Forte) has low cost plans, long retention and Binaries
Basil
2015-07-06 04:53:05 UTC
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Greetings to the Rialto!
Post by Steve Urbach
Post by Russell
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Todd Rich
Post by Stefan
Few in the SCA today even know what NNTP and the existence of the
Rialto. At least that is my impression.
Are there any members still left around? I know I have it in my
newgroup feed mainly out of nostalgia.
Stefan MacMorrow
I'm still here. And if something non-spam comes up, I'll read it.
Likewise. :)
I'm rediscovering the pleasure after a lengthy absence.
As am I. BTW, please excuse the "rezz".
Post by Steve Urbach
Post by Russell
I found the FTP software sitting in backup from an earlier machine and
cranked it up.
24,000 headers from rec.org.sca later and I began (foolishly) to
browse the old threads.
Now I'm wondering... did Atenveldt ever recover their regalia stolen
in 2003?
Russell
FWIW
Even if your ISP has ditched NNTP services like Earthlink did :/
Eternal September offers the Rialto (rec.org.sca) for free. (and many other
non-binary groups)
Aioe.org is a *public* NNTP server---no cost, no sign up. I used them the last
time I was active on Usenet, and never had any problem with them. Perhaps them
and E.S. for a one-two punch? ;-)
Post by Steve Urbach
APN (Forte) has low cost plans, long retention and Binaries
As for FarceBlech? As my email sig says:
[FaceBook has] just gotten too invasive and stupid. We're persons, not
commodities to be bought and sold. -- Blaise de Cormeilles on the SCA-HRLDS
email list
I have heard many, many comments like this. That, combined with their habit of
selling personal information is why I will *NEVER* join FB. -- Basil Dragonstrike

PS: I've read everything in the group on Aioe, and the FAQ's, and rebooted my
memories of netiquette, so I hope/think I'm doing this right.


~~Basil Dragonstrike
Dorothy J Heydt
2015-07-06 14:46:47 UTC
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Post by Basil
Greetings to the Rialto!
Post by Steve Urbach
Post by Russell
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Todd Rich
Post by Stefan
Few in the SCA today even know what NNTP and the existence of the
Rialto. At least that is my impression.
Are there any members still left around? I know I have it in my
newgroup feed mainly out of nostalgia.
Stefan MacMorrow
I'm still here. And if something non-spam comes up, I'll read it.
Likewise. :)
I'm rediscovering the pleasure after a lengthy absence.
As am I. BTW, please excuse the "rezz".
Post by Steve Urbach
Post by Russell
I found the FTP software sitting in backup from an earlier machine and
cranked it up.
24,000 headers from rec.org.sca later and I began (foolishly) to
browse the old threads.
Now I'm wondering... did Atenveldt ever recover their regalia stolen
in 2003?
Russell
FWIW
Even if your ISP has ditched NNTP services like Earthlink did :/
Eternal September offers the Rialto (rec.org.sca) for free. (and many other
non-binary groups)
Aioe.org is a *public* NNTP server---no cost, no sign up. I used them the last
time I was active on Usenet, and never had any problem with them. Perhaps them
and E.S. for a one-two punch? ;-)
Post by Steve Urbach
APN (Forte) has low cost plans, long retention and Binaries
[FaceBook has] just gotten too invasive and stupid. We're persons, not
commodities to be bought and sold. -- Blaise de Cormeilles on the SCA-HRLDS
email list
I have heard many, many comments like this. That, combined with their habit of
selling personal information is why I will *NEVER* join FB. -- Basil Dragonstrike
PS: I've read everything in the group on Aioe, and the FAQ's, and rebooted my
memories of netiquette, so I hope/think I'm doing this right.
I don't do Facebook or any other "social medium", for the
same reasons. This is the first post on rec.org.sca I've seen in
months, and the last one was random spam. I still read
rec.arts.sf-written and a few other groups that still have some
life.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
Eric Allen
2015-07-06 17:42:45 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
This is the first post on rec.org.sca I've seen in
months, and the last one was random spam.
This is the first 2 messages I have seen in months also.
.
Basil
2015-07-07 01:58:21 UTC
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Post by Eric Allen
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
This is the first post on rec.org.sca I've seen in
months, and the last one was random spam.
This is the first 2 messages I have seen in months also.
Aioe doesn't have anything after the post I responded to (from May 16) until
now. If there was any spam, Aioe filtered it out.

Maybe if we all chat about how little traffic there is, we'll make more
traffic?? };-)
Steve Urbach
2015-07-07 03:16:31 UTC
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Post by Basil
Post by Eric Allen
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
This is the first post on rec.org.sca I've seen in
months, and the last one was random spam.
This is the first 2 messages I have seen in months also.
Aioe doesn't have anything after the post I responded to (from May 16) until
now. If there was any spam, Aioe filtered it out.
Maybe if we all chat about how little traffic there is, we'll make more
traffic?? };-)
I am Game.
I miss the simple, no advertising, no data mining my every word,
USENET way



Derek Dragonsclaw
Eric Allen
2015-07-07 03:48:18 UTC
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On Mon, 06 Jul 2015 20:16:31 -0700, Steve Urbach
Post by Basil
Maybe if we all chat about how little traffic there is, we'll make more
traffic?? };-)
That would be fine by me, pick a topic
erilar
2015-07-08 14:50:14 UTC
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Post by Eric Allen
On Mon, 06 Jul 2015 20:16:31 -0700, Steve Urbach
Post by Basil
Maybe if we all chat about how little traffic there is, we'll make more
traffic?? };-)
That would be fine by me, pick a topic
I subscribe to quite a few mailing lists and prefer both those and
Usenet to Facebook, but unfortunately the latter has become the only way
to keep up with some of my friends and relatives 8-( The FB account
belongs to my dog and the profile is his, and the friends/relatives list
is under two dozen total. . .
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
Eric Allen
2015-07-08 17:21:33 UTC
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On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 09:50:14 -0500, erilar
Post by erilar
The FB account
belongs to my dog and the profile is his
Now that is a hoot, never thought of that
Dorothy J Heydt
2015-07-09 03:27:54 UTC
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Post by Eric Allen
On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 09:50:14 -0500, erilar
Post by erilar
The FB account
belongs to my dog and the profile is his
Now that is a hoot, never thought of that
I wouldn't even go that way. When I had cats, they were living
at my address.
--
Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin Dorothy J. Heydt
Vinhold/Mists/West Vallejo, California
PRO DEO ET REGE djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
erilar
2015-07-09 13:37:22 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Eric Allen
On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 09:50:14 -0500, erilar
Post by erilar
The FB account
belongs to my dog and the profile is his
Now that is a hoot, never thought of that
I wouldn't even go that way. When I had cats, they were living
at my address.
No address is required, just an email address, and it's a Yahoo address
I created for that purpose. Every so often I go there for a massive
deletion. Relative and friends I've "friended" know how to reach me
outside FB and my actual address is not even attached to my web pages.
In fact even my actual name appears only in some mailing lists. People
on my "friends" are primarily people I only meet in person VERY seldom.
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
Joy Beeson
2015-07-09 02:32:16 UTC
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On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 09:50:14 -0500, erilar
Post by erilar
I subscribe to quite a few mailing lists and prefer both those and
Usenet to Facebook, but unfortunately the latter has become the only way
to keep up with some of my friends and relatives 8-( The FB account
belongs to my dog and the profile is his, and the friends/relatives list
is under two dozen total. . .
I joined Facebook, but it rarely conveys anything -- such nuggets of
information as my friends post from time to time are buried in a
landslide of unsorted, unthreaded posts, which are not fewer in number
if I check in after a shorter interval than usual, and I'm never quite
sure that I've skimmed past all the new ones. And, of course, no
discussion is possible beyond such remarks as one might exchange in
the elevator of a two-story building.
--
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
The above message is a Usenet post.
I don't recall having given anyone permission to use it on a Web site.
Nikolai Petrovich
2016-04-12 04:27:58 UTC
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Post by Basil
Post by Steve Urbach
APN (Forte) has low cost plans, long retention and Binaries
[FaceBook has] just gotten too invasive and stupid. We're persons, not
commodities to be bought and sold. -- Blaise de Cormeilles on the SCA-HRLDS
email list
I have heard many, many comments like this. That, combined with their habit of
selling personal information is why I will *NEVER* join FB. -- Basil Dragonstrike
If you are not paying for it, you are not the customer, you are
the product.

Nikolai Petrovich
--
Nikolai Petrovich Flandropoff
Whimiscal Order of the Ailing Wit
Scribe & Zampollet to Clan MacFlandry
Loose Canon, An Tir Heavy Opera Company
Semi-offical TASS correspondent (That makes me - the Demi-Tass)
Steve Urbach
2015-01-02 23:28:15 UTC
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Post by Stefan
Few in the SCA today even know what NNTP and the existence of the
Rialto. At least that is my impression.
Are there any members still left around? I know I have it in my
newgroup feed mainly out of nostalgia.
Stefan MacMorrow
OMG Someone posted that was not a spammer.

Yes I still watch this NG.
I do not do FB or Twit...

Derek Dragonsclaw
Stefan
2015-01-03 03:21:02 UTC
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I was miffed but was outvoted at the meeting in November. The local
group decided to drop the emailing list in favor of everyone keeping
up with things on Facebook.

Gad, every time I go on Facebook I feel like a Times Square holiday
crowd is all vomiting whatever comes to mind at me. <curmudgeonly
harumph>
Chris Zakes
2015-01-03 16:51:21 UTC
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On Fri, 02 Jan 2015 21:21:02 -0600, an orbital mind-control laser
Post by Stefan
I was miffed but was outvoted at the meeting in November. The local
group decided to drop the emailing list in favor of everyone keeping
up with things on Facebook.
Gad, every time I go on Facebook I feel like a Times Square holiday
crowd is all vomiting whatever comes to mind at me. <curmudgeonly
harumph>
Maybe I'm weird, but I generally enjoy Facebook. But then, I don't
accept every friend request I get. I limit it to people I actually
know, and a couple of groups that I find interesting.

-Tivar Moondragon
Anstreorra
--
Then something Tookish woke up inside him, and he wished to go and see the
great mountains, and hear the pine trees and the waterfalls, and explore the caves,
and wear a sword instead of a walking-stick.

-"The Hobbit" by J.R.R. Tolkien
jankin
2015-01-03 18:26:33 UTC
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[This followup was posted to rec.org.sca and a copy was sent to the
cited author.]
Post by Chris Zakes
On Fri, 02 Jan 2015 21:21:02 -0600, an orbital mind-control laser
Post by Stefan
I was miffed but was outvoted at the meeting in November. The local
group decided to drop the emailing list in favor of everyone keeping
up with things on Facebook.
Gad, every time I go on Facebook I feel like a Times Square holiday
crowd is all vomiting whatever comes to mind at me. <curmudgeonly
harumph>
Maybe I'm weird, but I generally enjoy Facebook. But then, I don't
accept every friend request I get. I limit it to people I actually
know, and a couple of groups that I find interesting.
-Tivar Moondragon
Anstreorra
Well, facebook purity is an excedllent way to clean up FB. And yes, I
also keep this in my newsreader feed, just in case old timers (like you
all :) ) post. Although I think I qualify now as well ...

Seamus McCryuu McHoo
erilar
2015-01-04 01:19:21 UTC
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Post by Stefan
I was miffed but was outvoted at the meeting in November. The local
group decided to drop the emailing list in favor of everyone keeping
up with things on Facebook.
Gad, every time I go on Facebook I feel like a Times Square holiday
crowd is all vomiting whatever comes to mind at me. <curmudgeonly
harumph>
Unlovely but apt description. I have "friended" fewer than a dozen
individuals outside immediate family, but it has proved to be the only
way to see fotos with me in them at events I attend; I always forget to
have someone use my camera on me to prove I was there. It's also the
only way to keep up with some of my relatives.
I know what's going on in my area from mailing lists, though.
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
Nikolai Petrovich
2016-04-12 04:27:58 UTC
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Post by Stefan
I was miffed but was outvoted at the meeting in November. The local
group decided to drop the emailing list in favor of everyone keeping
up with things on Facebook.
Gad, every time I go on Facebook I feel like a Times Square holiday
crowd is all vomiting whatever comes to mind at me. <curmudgeonly
harumph>
I had troubles when first on FB, people I knew from The Society, I
did not want to know their mundane life.
--
Nikolai Petrovich Flandropoff
Whimiscal Order of the Ailing Wit
Scribe & Zampollet to Clan MacFlandry
Loose Canon, An Tir Heavy Opera Company
Semi-offical TASS correspondent (That makes me - the Demi-Tass)
Joy Beeson
2015-01-03 02:25:59 UTC
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I've been lurking here for some time.
--
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://joybeeson.home.comcast.net/
The above message is a Usenet post.
I don't recall having given anyone permission to use it on a Web site.
Chris Zakes
2015-01-03 16:48:26 UTC
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On Fri, 02 Jan 2015 16:58:07 -0600, an orbital mind-control laser
Post by Stefan
Few in the SCA today even know what NNTP and the existence of the
Rialto. At least that is my impression.
Are there any members still left around? I know I have it in my
newgroup feed mainly out of nostalgia.
Stefan MacMorrow
I'm still here. If there's an interesting thread I'll comment, but,
unfortunately, "interesting threads" have become few and far between.

-Tivar Moondragon
Ansteorra
--
Then something Tookish woke up inside him, and he wished to go and see the
great mountains, and hear the pine trees and the waterfalls, and explore the caves,
and wear a sword instead of a walking-stick.

-"The Hobbit" by J.R.R. Tolkien
Dorothy J Heydt
2015-01-04 06:19:02 UTC
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Post by Chris Zakes
On Fri, 02 Jan 2015 16:58:07 -0600, an orbital mind-control laser
Post by Stefan
Few in the SCA today even know what NNTP and the existence of the
Rialto. At least that is my impression.
Are there any members still left around? I know I have it in my
newgroup feed mainly out of nostalgia.
Stefan MacMorrow
I'm still here. If there's an interesting thread I'll comment, but,
unfortunately, "interesting threads" have become few and far between.
Aren't they just! Pity.
--
Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin Dorothy J. Heydt
Vinhold/Mists/West Vallejo, California
PRO DEO ET REGE djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
erilar
2015-01-04 01:15:24 UTC
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Post by Stefan
Few in the SCA today even know what NNTP and the existence of the
Rialto. At least that is my impression.
Are there any members still left around? I know I have it in my
newgroup feed mainly out of nostalgia.
Stefan MacMorrow
I remember when there were interesting discussions going on here. I
grow old, I grow old. . . .
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
AElflaed of Duckford
2015-01-05 19:13:36 UTC
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Is there a Rialto facebook group?
Saying "replaced by facebook" isn't informative.

Did "the meeting" (all of this seems extremely vague) decide that it wasn't worth keeping this group open? A group can sit for years, just so that the archives are available, if no one closes it. It's still open.

Did "the meeting" say that facebook groups that already exist are more useful than a googlegroups group?

I'm more curious than needful of the answers; I looked for a link but didn't find one.

Sandra/AElflaed
Most of my facebook friends are unschooling parents who've read my books about that, or who are in online discussions about unschooling. My husband, though, has a facebook account our daughter made so that he could be tagged in photos. :-)

https://www.facebook.com/SandraDoddABQ
Dorothy J Heydt
2015-01-06 01:55:08 UTC
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Post by AElflaed of Duckford
Is there a Rialto facebook group?
Saying "replaced by facebook" isn't informative.
Did "the meeting" (all of this seems extremely vague) decide that it
wasn't worth keeping this group open? A group can sit for years, just
so that the archives are available, if no one closes it. It's still
open.
Did "the meeting" say that facebook groups that already exist are more
useful than a googlegroups group?
I wasn't at "the meeting," but a lot of ISPs have stopped
carrying USENET (aka Googlegroups) groups altogether.

Kithrup.com is a private server run by a friend of mine, who gets
his USEHET feeds from Stanford. If Stanford ever decides to shut
down USENET, there will be silence from this end.
--
Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin Dorothy J. Heydt
Vinhold/Mists/West Vallejo, California
PRO DEO ET REGE djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
Steve Urbach
2015-01-06 02:58:47 UTC
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Eternal September is a free USENET service that carries the Rialto and other
non-binary groups.

Anyone can sign up for use. All you need is a NNTP Newsreader program and a
Internet connection)
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by AElflaed of Duckford
Is there a Rialto facebook group?
Saying "replaced by facebook" isn't informative.
Did "the meeting" (all of this seems extremely vague) decide that it
wasn't worth keeping this group open? A group can sit for years, just
so that the archives are available, if no one closes it. It's still
open.
Did "the meeting" say that facebook groups that already exist are more
useful than a googlegroups group?
I wasn't at "the meeting," but a lot of ISPs have stopped
carrying USENET (aka Googlegroups) groups altogether.
Kithrup.com is a private server run by a friend of mine, who gets
his USEHET feeds from Stanford. If Stanford ever decides to shut
down USENET, there will be silence from this end.
--
Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin Dorothy J. Heydt
Vinhold/Mists/West Vallejo, California
PRO DEO ET REGE djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
erilar
2015-01-06 22:56:16 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I wasn't at "the meeting," but a lot of ISPs have stopped
carrying USENET (aka Googlegroups) groups altogether.
Mine quit long ago and I had to go hunting, even using (shudder)
googlegroups for a while before I found eternalseptember, which is free
and lets me keep using MTNW
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Kithrup.com is a private server run by a friend of mine, who gets
his USEHET feeds from Stanford. If Stanford ever decides to shut
down USENET, there will be silence from this end.
remember eternalseptember 8-)
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
Dorothy J Heydt
2015-01-14 19:53:31 UTC
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Post by erilar
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I wasn't at "the meeting," but a lot of ISPs have stopped
carrying USENET (aka Googlegroups) groups altogether.
Mine quit long ago and I had to go hunting, even using (shudder)
googlegroups for a while before I found eternalseptember, which is free
and lets me keep using MTNW
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Kithrup.com is a private server run by a friend of mine, who gets
his USEHET feeds from Stanford. If Stanford ever decides to shut
down USENET, there will be silence from this end.
remember eternalseptember 8-)
Only by reputation. I was on USENET with a University account
before AOL rose and until well after it had declined into
relative obscurity.
--
Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin Dorothy J. Heydt
Vinhold/Mists/West Vallejo, California
PRO DEO ET REGE djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
S
2015-01-15 20:44:12 UTC
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And so many these days don't realize that the internet is more than
websites. Everyone knows HTTP even if they don't know it stands for
hyper text transport protocol. But howmany know of:
NNTP - Network News Transport Protocol (Usenet to some)
WAIS - Wide Area Information System (Once the default for government
systems. These days they use an HTTP front end for routine access)
FTP - File transfer protocol Anyone else remember being directed to
Microsoft's FTP server to grab a patch? Wow, their ftp server still
works.
ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/

And I so detest the ignorance of the term "interwebs".

Before the internet allowed public access and was the ARPANET for
official use only; there were the big three computer services.
CompuServe, GEnie (General Electric Network for INformation Exchange),
and AOL (America Online).
There was a huge SCA representation on GEnie and the society
discrussion group as called "The Rialto". When GEnie self destructed
under the leadership of Steve Case and did away with discussion groups
in the early 1990s; may migrated to the newly open to the public
internet via a NNTP group. (BTW, Steve Case went to work for AOL
after GEnie and oversaw the destruction of discussion groups on AOL as
one of his first actions.)

I can see the point of ISPs not carrying NNTP feed as it is in no way
conducive to advertising revenue. More lucrative to use HTTP sites
where advertising can be force fed.

Somehow I do miss the days when innformation trumped eye candy. Anyone
else detest Adobe flash animation all over web sites?

Stefan MacMorrow
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by erilar
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I wasn't at "the meeting," but a lot of ISPs have stopped
carrying USENET (aka Googlegroups) groups altogether.
Mine quit long ago and I had to go hunting, even using (shudder)
googlegroups for a while before I found eternalseptember, which is free
and lets me keep using MTNW
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Kithrup.com is a private server run by a friend of mine, who gets
his USEHET feeds from Stanford. If Stanford ever decides to shut
down USENET, there will be silence from this end.
remember eternalseptember 8-)
Only by reputation. I was on USENET with a University account
before AOL rose and until well after it had declined into
relative obscurity.
erilar
2015-01-15 23:30:56 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by erilar
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I wasn't at "the meeting," but a lot of ISPs have stopped
carrying USENET (aka Googlegroups) groups altogether.
Mine quit long ago and I had to go hunting, even using (shudder)
googlegroups for a while before I found eternalseptember, which is free
and lets me keep using MTNW
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Kithrup.com is a private server run by a friend of mine, who gets
his USEHET feeds from Stanford. If Stanford ever decides to shut
down USENET, there will be silence from this end.
remember eternalseptember 8-)
Only by reputation. I was on USENET with a University account
before AOL rose and until well after it had declined into
relative obscurity.
I meant remember it if you lose the Stanford connection.
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
Dorothy J Heydt
2015-01-15 23:46:16 UTC
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Post by erilar
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by erilar
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I wasn't at "the meeting," but a lot of ISPs have stopped
carrying USENET (aka Googlegroups) groups altogether.
Mine quit long ago and I had to go hunting, even using (shudder)
googlegroups for a while before I found eternalseptember, which is free
and lets me keep using MTNW
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Kithrup.com is a private server run by a friend of mine, who gets
his USEHET feeds from Stanford. If Stanford ever decides to shut
down USENET, there will be silence from this end.
remember eternalseptember 8-)
Only by reputation. I was on USENET with a University account
before AOL rose and until well after it had declined into
relative obscurity.
I meant remember it if you lose the Stanford connection.
Oh. Are you telling me eternalseptember still exists?

Offhand, I would expect it to vanish before Stanford quit its
feed.
--
Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin Dorothy J. Heydt
Vinhold/Mists/West Vallejo, California
PRO DEO ET REGE djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
Steve Urbach
2015-01-16 02:23:50 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Oh. Are you telling me eternalseptember still exists?
Yes it exists. That is one of my subscriptions for this NG..

(Stanford still exists also :p )

Stanford and Amdahl were the USENET feeds BNR used to get back in the 80's
I spent my lunch time at a glass TTY, reading rec.org.sca
Joy Beeson
2015-01-16 03:25:51 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Oh. Are you telling me eternalseptember still exists?
I'm posting this message through it.

I was eventually glad that my ISP discontinued NNTP service, because
Eternal September is much better than whatever they were using. And
the change-over made me discover that I could read the Mozilla
newsgroups with Agent; I'd thought only Thunderbird could get at them,
and Thunderbird is hopeless for newsreading, so I had unsubscribed. (I
don't know how Agent is at reading mail, because I could not persuade
it to download any.)
--
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://joybeeson.home.comcast.net/
The above message is a Usenet post.
I don't recall having given anyone permission to use it on a Web site.
erilar
2015-01-16 16:34:33 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by erilar
I meant remember it if you lose the Stanford connection.
Oh. Are you telling me eternalseptember still exists?
Offhand, I would expect it to vanish before Stanford quit its
feed.
That's what I've been using since shortly after my ISP cut me off.
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
Tim McDaniel
2015-01-16 07:51:11 UTC
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Post by erilar
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I wasn't at "the meeting," but a lot of ISPs have stopped
carrying USENET (aka Googlegroups) groups altogether.
Mine quit long ago and I had to go hunting, even using (shudder)
googlegroups for a while before I found eternalseptember, which is free
and lets me keep using MTNW
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Kithrup.com is a private server run by a friend of mine, who gets
his USEHET feeds from Stanford. If Stanford ever decides to shut
down USENET, there will be silence from this end.
remember eternalseptember 8-)
Or panix.com. First UNIX-based Internet Service Provider in New York;
I'm typing this from a virtual terminal connected to one of their
servers now. Given their customer base, I expect they might well be
in the last two hosts to run a USENET feed.
--
Tim McDaniel, ***@panix.com
Chris Zakes
2015-01-06 12:58:58 UTC
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On Mon, 5 Jan 2015 11:13:36 -0800 (PST), an orbital mind-control
Post by AElflaed of Duckford
Is there a Rialto facebook group?
Saying "replaced by facebook" isn't informative.
Did "the meeting" (all of this seems extremely vague) decide that it wasn't worth keeping this group open? A group can sit for years, just so that the archives are available, if no one closes it. It's still open.
Did "the meeting" say that facebook groups that already exist are more useful than a googlegroups group?
As I read the post, it was about a local SCA group deciding to drop
their email list in favor of Facebook. That's not going to affect the
Rialto one way or the other.

There *is* an official SCA facebook group, but it doesn't really
resemble what the Rialto used to be--mostly one-off posts with little
or no discussion.

-Tivar Moondragon
Ansteorra
--
Then something Tookish woke up inside him, and he wished to go and see the
great mountains, and hear the pine trees and the waterfalls, and explore the caves,
and wear a sword instead of a walking-stick.

-"The Hobbit" by J.R.R. Tolkien
Lyle H. Gray
2015-01-28 22:53:07 UTC
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Post by Chris Zakes
There *is* an official SCA facebook group, but it doesn't really
resemble what the Rialto used to be--mostly one-off posts with little
or no discussion.
-Tivar Moondragon
Ansteorra
My understanding is that the official/"open" SCA FB group limits any
discussion on a post to a maximum of 20 comments before closing comments.

Regards,
Lyle FitzWilliam
charles alderson
2015-01-22 11:16:32 UTC
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Post by Stefan
Few in the SCA today even know what NNTP and the existence of the
Rialto. At least that is my impression.
Are there any members still left around? I know I have it in my
newgroup feed mainly out of nostalgia.
Stefan MacMorrow
I also keep checking the Rialto just to see what might showup.

Alas, Facebook is rapidly replacing both the printed and electronic
newsletters and newslists as well.

CT Alderson
Archivist, SCA Inc.
Jeff Berry
2015-01-23 18:14:35 UTC
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Post by charles alderson
Alas, Facebook is rapidly replacing both the printed and electronic
newsletters and newslists as well.
Not everywhere, thank heaven.

Alexandre d'Avigne, Outlands, East, now Drachenwald.
Lyle H. Gray
2015-01-28 22:23:51 UTC
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Post by Jeff Berry
Post by charles alderson
Alas, Facebook is rapidly replacing both the printed and electronic
newsletters and newslists as well.
Not everywhere, thank heaven.
Alexandre d'Avigne, Outlands, East, now Drachenwald.
Facebook is a really bad choice if you want to keep a record of any of your
discussions.
erilar
2015-01-29 21:34:57 UTC
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Post by Lyle H. Gray
Post by Jeff Berry
Post by charles alderson
Alas, Facebook is rapidly replacing both the printed and electronic
newsletters and newslists as well.
Not everywhere, thank heaven.
Alexandre d'Avigne, Outlands, East, now Drachenwald.
Facebook is a really bad choice if you want to keep a record of any of your
discussions.
Or if you want to limit them to actual SCA folk.
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
s***@yahoo.com
2015-01-25 19:41:47 UTC
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Facebook doesn't really work for discussions. One definition of it is "a shout down a tenement hallway".

I have to be on it because there are a few parties I go to that are only announced there.

Nils K. Hammer
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